American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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simpson
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Shia LaBeouf, American Hero
on: November 6, 2014, 10:54

Shia LaBeouf, of Even Stevens and terrible Indiana Jones sequel fame, might possibly be one of the greatest American actors working. Beyond his professional accomplishments, LaBeouf may also be a living American hero. LaBeouf struggled publicly with alcohol and violence over the last few years. In a recent essay for Grantland, Ernest Baker recently tried to explain what makes LaBeouf so compelling despite the bullshit:

Shia’s antics have been used to discredit him, as an actor and a person. He was close to becoming a sideshow attraction. But I’ve always seen through the criticism. His worst behavior only made him more human to me. It’s part of what made me like him. The other part was his dedication to his craft, his work ethic, and his performances. Appreciation for those aspects of his career were lost in the ruckus.

He's 28 and at no point during his most tumultuous public periods has he ever stopped working. After his first breakthrough hit in 2007 with the summer sleeper Disturbia, LaBeouf starred in three Transformers movies, an Indiana Jones sequel, a Wall Street sequel, slept-on genre fare like techno-paranoia thriller Eagle Eye and tough-guy western Lawless. According to Box Office Mojo, his movies have grossed over $2 billion. He's an undeniable movie star.

Recently Labeouf has reformed his behaviours slightly, at least in the public eye. Lately his work trended towards indie flicks after nearly a decade acting in some of the world's biggest movies. His performances are more and more outrageous than ever before. He acted opposite Robert Redford in a movie about a Weather Underground activist living in hiding. He delivered a depressed, psychedelic performance opposite a murderer's row of character actors in Charlie Countryman. He showed his dick (and acted superbly) in Lars Von Trier's racy, sexual Nymphomaniac. He was praised for a raw, genuine performance in Fury, Brad Pitt's oscar-bait-y World War II epic. As his work gets weirder and weirder, his public behaviour is falling more in line.

LaBoeuf lived his life and refused to compromise with anyone who might tell him he was doing it wrong. He worked hard and at no point did he conform to the rigid behaviours we demand or expect of our modern celebrities. He drank, fought, and fucked his way through his early twenties just like any regular human being. The only difference is we watched him do it in the public eye under a humongous microscope. He looked inward and focused his inner turmoil into his most recent work, and, by all means, it's paid off handsomely. He has learned to channel the aggressions that nearly harpooned his promising young career, and we're all the better for it. Shia's still Shia, but the threat of a public meltdown no longer exists. Or, at least, it decreased significantly.

Shia LaBeouf isn't famous anymore. He's on another level.



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Re: Shia LaBeouf, American Hero
on: December 4, 2014, 13:04

Great post, Shia Labeouf is definitely an interesting guy who seems to embody many of the characteristics of classic American heroes. He's a defiant, misunderstood loner, struggling against a society of people who are somehow not ready or able to see what he can bring to the table. For myself Labeouf seems to share the same Emersonian ideals as Mark suggested Kanye West does. In that there seems to be an unabashed self-love going on in both cases, where both are unquestionably talented and anything but modest about it. That being said there seems to be an underlying arrogance that accompanies such egoism, where these types of characters are unable to be humble despite any claims to the contrary. This brings up the question: Is the American hero inherently selfish? Either way you look at it, it seems to pay off, Labeouf was probably the best part of the film Fury, and West's album Yeezus is widely regarded as a masterpiece. Here is an interesting article/interview I stumbled upon the other day that I think highlights much of both the good and the perhaps bad aspects of Shia Labeouf. http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22732/1/shia-labeouf-the-interview?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email Here's a quote from the piece where he's talking about how he prepared himself for Fury.
Shia LaBeouf: Fury is the most meat I’ve ever had to chew on. David (Ayer, director) told us right from the gate: ‘I need you to give me everything.’ So the day after I got the job, I joined the US National Guard. I was baptised – accepted Christ in my heart – tattooed my surrender and became 
a chaplain’s assistant to Captain Yates for the 41st Infantry. I spent a month living on a forward operating base. Then I linked up with my cast and went to Fort Irwin. I pulled my tooth out, knifed my face up and spent days watching horses die. 
I didn’t bathe for four months. I met some tankers who told me that was just the way it was out there – some guys had the same pair of socks on for 
three years."



ZTownsend
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Re: Shia LaBeouf, American Hero
on: December 5, 2014, 12:55

I think that it is relevant to touch upon the recent rape allegations. For those who do not know, Shia Labeouf recently claimed that he was raped during an exhibit he was conducting:

The actor Shia LaBeouf has claimed a woman raped him during the performance of his one-man art piece #IAMSORRY earlier this year.

Speaking to Dazed magazine in an email interview, he wrote: “One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for 10 minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me.”

#IAMSORRY consisted of LaBeouf sitting silently with a paper bag on his head, bearing the legend “I am not famous anymore” – members of the public queued to be able to sit in front of him in the one-on-one piece. It ran for five days in February at a Los Angeles gallery.

I felt this was relevant because Shia's recent claims have brought another issue to the forefront: female-on-male rape. There is not a lot I can really comment about on this matter because I do not (and can never) know all of the facts related to the actual incident, but the controversy has sparked a lot of discussion within both America and abroad, and so I felt that this article was relevant to this thread and the greater discussion of this subforum: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/frances-black/shia-labeoufs-rape-allegation_b_6251596.html



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Re: Shia LaBeouf, American Hero
on: December 7, 2015, 20:26

Shia LaBeouf began his acting career as a "Disney Kid" because of the success of Even Stevens made him a household name. Disney tends to create child stars to live a "perfect" and "flaw-free" life under the public eye. Shia like many former Disney stars (i.e. Miley) are trying to be themselves through developing their image and career away from the persona Disney created for them. Shia has had up and downs in his career, just as anyone else does which makes him no different than the rest of us. Sadly, the media thrives off the "downfalls" of former child stars that it creates a one-sided view, and because of this it becomes more difficult for them as artists to have their work taken seriously. However, Shia continues to persevere to do something he is passionate about, and that is something he should be praised for.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/11/joe-jonas-talks-jonas-brothers.html#
*[i]This article is not about Shia directly, but does illustrate how Disney creates personas of its child stars [/i]

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