American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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applies only upwards, not downwards.

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melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
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in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

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What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

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Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
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America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

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I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
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A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
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"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
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It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

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They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

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In America sex is an obsession,
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I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
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Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

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I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
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"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
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The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
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- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
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- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
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- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

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simpson
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Lets Talk About US Military Intervention
on: November 14, 2014, 12:02

Today on The Atlantic, Iraq war veteran Scott Beauchamp discusses US military intervention with MIT professor Barry Posen, whose new book, Restraint: A New Foundation for U.S. Grand Strategy, argues the US should drastically rethink its current strategy. Beauchamp sums up Posen's thoughts on the US's current intervention philosophy here:

A number of writers and thinkers have been wrestling with similar questions, and Barry Posen, a political-science professor at MIT, is one of them. His latest book, Restraint: A New Foundation for U.S. Grand Strategy, gives a name to the general consensus among the American foreign-policy establishment that I sensed as a soldier, calling it “liberal hegemony.” The term encompasses two philosophies that arose after the fall of the Soviet Union. The first is the neoconservative philosophy of “primacy”— overwhelming military force projected around the world to enforce America’s will. The second is “cooperative security,” embraced mainly by Democrats, which only differs from primacy in that it seeks approval from international organizations like the United Nations and NATO when exerting military force. In both cases, the question is how to use force, not if it should be used in the first place.

Posen’s response is the philosophy of “restraint”—a scaling down of the expectations and demands that decades of liberal hegemonic thought has placed on the United States.

Posen aims to shake out a consistent but not concrete idea of how and then the US should respond to "potential national security threats," which could also be called, "bad things happening in the rest of the world." Here's Posen's definition of a true threat to national security:

It’s reasonable for the United States to pay attention to a small number of threats. We don’t have to transform the world, spread democracy, expand NATO, or any of these other things. But there are a few things that we need to pay attention to. We need what I would call moderate, pragmatic strategies to work on those problems.

One problem is the potential rise of China. In the fullness of time, China may become such a tough competitor that we need to contain it the way we contained the Soviet Union. Is that time upon us? I don’t really think so. China is asserting its interests in its own area, mostly its coastal areas, a little bit on its land periphery. It’s a country that’s going through rapid change. It’s got a lot of internal problems of its own. It’s got a lot of security problems. Its military isn’t gigantic.

The whole interview is great, and while I don't agree with every idea Posen offers, he skews closer to my own ideology than the current all-intervention, all-the-time model.



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Re: Lets Talk About US Military Intervention
on: November 16, 2014, 14:14

Posen says that he doesn't believe America distinctly went out to achieve so much dominance in the world, I disagree. American Exceptionalism has been around since the 19th century, implying that America is somehow different that other nation states. America helps other countries in a non-altruistic manner; it seems that they always have some hidden agenda. This may not be true, but it certainly seems that way to the outside world.

It is crazy/scary how much war, and the potential for another world war seems to be just another topic that needs to be discussed in this interview. As far as I am concerned, avoiding war should be every countries major concern, but it seems for America, that war is inevitable in order for them to continue their global dominance. Scary thoughts.



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Re: Lets Talk About US Military Intervention
on: November 23, 2014, 15:55

I completely agree with Rich's comment. Without a doubt, war is at the forefront of America's political agenda. The way war and armed conflicts are justified to citizens through mainstream media is absolutely horrifying. Avoiding war should be every country's primary goal; however, we must consider America's dominance above the majority of countries in the world. America has the upper hand on almost every country because they are essentially a superpower.

War is constructed to benefit the dominant party while simultaneously oppressing the lesser party, or the "others". Despite all the atrocities associated with armed conflict and horrifying consequences of wars, America still chooses to actively engage in these conflicts. They still choose to glorify the deaths of thousands in the name of "freedom" and "liberty". They still choose to paint these conflicts as "peacekeeping missions". There is no truth in any of these claims, yet America engages in war because it is beneficial to their agenda. The reality of it is as simple and horrific as that.



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Re: Lets Talk About US Military Intervention
on: November 23, 2014, 18:28

I agree with both Rich and Katharyn's comments, there is no way that America did not set out with the plan to achieve this level of dominance over the rest of the world. America prides itself on being the biggest and best, especially when it comes to their military and control in other countries. The main objective for America and its military is having the control over other countries in order to remain the most powerful nation in the world. America would not have the amount of control and dominance that it does in the world if it had not set the goal of using their military to show the power that they have, no nation could gain that kind of power without working towards it. America has great pride in their military and they have no shame of inserting their dominance through the use of war. The government is aware of their ability to gain control and power through the use of their military because of the substantial difference between the Untied States' and other countries military system. America jumps immediately to the use of their military to solve their conflicts, it is their strongest unit and they are not afraid to involve their military in any political and social issue that occurs.



simpson
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on: November 24, 2014, 17:12

A long trend of Republican power also contributes to that war-first perception. "Hawks" like John McCain and Lindsay Graham always want the military to stay active. And while Obama may not be the pacifist — or "dove" — many hoped he would be, the staggering amount of international conflicts that have occurred during his short time in power, coupled with a far-right dominating Congress, left him with little hope or chance to behave any differently. He tried to diplomatically solve many of the issues he faced and failed to do so. Often, intervention — let's draw at least some distinction between military action and real, actual "war" — was his only option.

Moreover, a lot of the time America is asked to intervene on behalf of international allies, if you look at recent examples like Libya, Syria, or even older but less remembered instances like Kosovo. It's rare that America sees a problem and jumps right in, boots first, with guns drawn. There are checks and measures in place to prevent such actions, both domestically and internationally.

But! But! I do agree that intervention probably happens much more frequently than it should and that America should avoid military action as much as possible. Especially with examples like Libya, where intervention did more harm than good in the long run, America should let the major regional powers sort out major regional issues.

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