American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language.
- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
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of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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srbyrne
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"Bored in the U.S.A"
on: November 8, 2014, 19:42

So I heard this song the other day and it really struck a chord with me (ha), so I thought that I would open a discussion and see what you all think.

For myself it says a hell of lot, but on the whole it seems to speak to the notion that the American dream is dead, and in actuality it never existed in the first place. As a result we now live in a world founded on empty promises, and have created a more or less apathetic society. We're living in a sort of Emersonian nightmare where despite the horrifying realities of the world in regards to poverty, war, famine, and so on, all we (affluent western society) seem to care about is our own shallow self worth. Where the kind of "self reliance" that has been perpetuated by Wersten society is more closely related to selfishness than what Emerson conceived.

Furthermore, it seems to say a lot about how western society has manipulated Emersonian ideals to a point in which all a person considers is himself within an unchangeable system of society and governance. That being said, i could be totally wrong and would love to hear what you all have to say in regards to this song. Enjoy, it's quite a beautiful piece of music.
Steve Byrne



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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: November 14, 2014, 10:30

Thanks for the link, Steve! I'd never heard this song (lyrics pasted below), but agree with your suggestion that a sort of late-stage, exhausted, un-transcendent transcendentalism is lamented here. Whitman seems even more relevant than Emerson, perhaps, as the ironic backdrop for that lament -- as if this is what, to borrow a little from T.S. Eliot, all the celebration, sensory pleasure, and self-affirmation have produced at last, not a bang of elevated awareness but only a bored whimper.

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Bored in the USA
Father John Misty

How many people rise and say
"My brain's so awfully glad to be here
For yet another mindless day"?

I've got all morning to obsessively accrue
A small nation of meaningful objects
And they've got to represent me too

By this afternoon, I'll live in debt
By tomorrow, be replaced by children

How many people rise and think
"Oh good, the stranger's body's still here
Our arrangement hasn't changed?"

Now I've got a lifetime to consider all the ways
I've grown more disappointing to you
As my beauty warps and fades
I suspect you feel the same
When I was young, I dreamt of a passionate obligation to a roommate

Is this the part where I get all I ever wanted?
Who said that?
Can I get my money back?

Just a little bored in the USA
Oh, just a little bored in the USA
Save me, white Jesus
Bored in the USA
Oh, they gave me a useless education
And a subprime loan
On a craftsman home
Keep my prescriptions filled
And now I can't get off
But I can kind of deal
Oh, with being bored in the USA
Oh, just a little bored in the USA
Save me, President Jesus
I'm bored in the USA
How did it happen?
Bored in the USA



liz.k
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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: November 25, 2014, 09:08

I would agree with Geoff as I too believe that this song is more a reflection o Elliot's and Whitman's views of contemporary society as they were both modernists who believed in deconstructing the structure and meaning behind social . This song seems to portray modernist ideals in critiquing the bleakness of a repetitive and restrictive society bound by borders of taboo and social code. The song presented critiques of capitalism, consumerism, competitiveness, the concept of the American Dream, the religious foundations of American life and social rule, as well as the meaningless goals and lack lustre attitude of the education system. The lyrics remind me of songs in the punk genre of music as they are rebellious and critical of a sedated life. The first thing that popped into my head is this song by American artists GreenDay (pop-punk), about the redundancy of every day life. Much of their music is specifically inspired by this concept.

[quoteWe're living in repetition.
Content in the same old shtick again.
Now the routine's turning to contention,
Like a production line going over and over and over
, roller coaster.

Now I cannot speak, I've lost my voice.
I'm speechless and redundant.
'Cause I love you's not enough.
I'm lost for words.

Choreographed and lack of passion.
Prototypes of what we were.
Went full circle 'til I'm nauseous.
Taken for granted now.
Now I waste it, faked it, ate it, now i hate it.

'Cause I cannot speak, I lost my voice.
I'm speechless and redundant, 'cause I love you's not enough.
I'm lost for words.

Now I cannot speak, I've lost my voice.
I'm speechless and redundant.
'Cause I love you's not enough.
I'm lost for words.

Now I cannot speak, I've lost my voice.
I'm speechless and redundant.
'Cause I love you's not enough.
I'm lost for words.

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srbyrne
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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: December 2, 2014, 20:19

Well put Geoff and Liz, I agree with your Whitman comparisons. in fact, it was he who came to my mind after first hearing this song, in that it is a series of vignettes much in the same way "Song of Myself" is. I also agree with your Green Day/ punk comparisons for I think it highlights the same empty protest that is evident in Tillman's song. In fact after reading your post and then revisiting the lyrics to "Bored in the USA," I couldn't help but notice that it has the makings for an awesome punk song. That being said, coupled with the way in which it is ultimately presented to the audience, the song further exemplifies the late-stage exhaustion Geoff noted. Furthermore, I think it underscore Tillman's position coming from a post-punk perspective where years of fruitless protest have done nothing but reinforce one's dependence on the system, i.e. Billie Joe Armstrong (lead singer from Green Day) for one, and the countless number of punk rockers who end up in a vicious cycle of rehab.

Thanks for the input.

On a side note, here is a really insightful review of the song I found, and on pitchfork no less!

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/17207-father-john-misty-bored-in-the-usa/
A central irony of Josh Tillman's very likable Father John Misty alias is that he's so often the exact person most indie rock fans totally fucking loathe in real life—a kind of mystic himbo who somehow exists outside our economy and labor force, drinking, drugging, and fucking his way through life, and yet the rent's always paid. People tell him he looks better with age. No consequences of note are suffered. Least of all, he attracts not even a fraction of the shit Lana Del Rey gets for embodying a parallel sort of archetype. Some might call that male privilege and Tillman probably would, too. "Bored In The USA" casually drops a nuclear bomb on the entire franchise of privileged white men making their spiritual void the dark center of the universe.
Appropriately, the music teases at toxic levels of mawkishness. Tillman's alone at his piano, doing his best Harry Nilsson and having the nerve to ask, "How many people rise and think, 'Oh good, the stranger's body is still here/ Our arrangement hasn't changed,'" when most folks stay up nights worrying about dying alone. Likewise, the title itself is sung in a way that doesn't seem to mock Bruce Springsteen—it sounds like Tillman's mocking those who would go after that low-hanging fruit, ignoring the Boss' complexities to show their shallow disaffectedness with the American Dream. Or maybe Tillman's just one of us, not even sure if we're being sarcastic anymore.
"Bored In the USA" has a tragicomic resonance, as all of our friends are on Facebook complaining about election results they find awfully scary even if they're unsure how they'll realistically be affected. When Tillman lays out the woes of the upwardly mobile man who had the ladder cut out from under him—"They gave me a useless education/ A subprime loan/ A craftsman home/ Keep my prescriptions filled/ Now I can't get off, but I can kinda deal"—he pipes in a goddamn laugh track to underscore that his concerns aren't clever. They're clichés worthy of a terrible sitcom, and that "boredom" is like most chronic conditions, a malady of the affluent. So there you have the devastating punchline in "Bored In the USA"'s epic #whitepeopleproblems gag—that joke isn't funny anymore.



jmlevesque
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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: December 6, 2014, 13:25

I think the strange laugh track that plays half way through is interesting to note as well. While the song is clearly a jaded lament, it seems that Tillman is trying to make light of America's too-far-gone disenchantment. Reading into it more, if one can't help laughing at such bleak, widespread realities, this might suggest a light at the end of the tunnel.

And then I read this piece in a copy of Tillman's autobiographical writings. It is under "supplementary content: instructions for listening"

Bored in the USA:

Make yourself a pot of tea.

Don’t steep it too long.

Sit down somewhere you can quiet your mind.

Contemplate the ways in which your mind is like a cup and a tea pot is all the ideas and beliefs in the world.

Angrily throw the pot of tea as hard as you can against the cup and scream, “I can do whatever the fuck I want to do!”.

Use your freedom to go buy a $5 whole milk latte from a globo-national corporation and take a seat outside near the bus stop squinting in the mid-day sun.

So, yeah, maybe not.



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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: November 13, 2015, 21:18

Quote from jmlevesque on December 6, 2014, 13:25


Sit down somewhere you can quiet your mind.

Contemplate the ways in which your mind is like a cup and a tea pot is all the ideas and beliefs in the world.

Angrily throw the pot of tea as hard as you can against the cup and scream, “I can do whatever the fuck I want to do!”.

Use your freedom to go buy a $5 whole milk latte from a globo-national corporation and take a seat outside near the bus stop squinting in the mid-day sun.

Oh wow, I really like this! I feel like there is a huge movement ready to rise up out of sentiments like these, like another renaissance of true freedom and self-discovery is verging on the next decade. Seems like people are sick of being fed ideas and are itching to break out and make others realize the hypocritical nature of American freedom. It's the idea that you are free, but you are really guided into a few choices that you aren't happy with, but it's the best you can do. It's the act of defiance that is buying a 5 dollar latte. This anecdote embraces the irony that if you feel like you're doing something spontaneous and you're doing it angrily and with passion, you're a rebel, but you're not actually doing anything. I'm looking forward to seeing a shift away from confused self pity, and towards this, a more direct, succinct commentary on the decline of true freedom in America.

Here's a toast to the emerging generation of great American writers. They might not change the world, but they sure as hell know about the problems in their country, and they're going to prod at them with as many snidely scathing witticisms as they can muster. And I'm definitely looking forward to that.



LianaDavid
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Re: "Bored in the U.S.A"
on: November 21, 2015, 13:53

I think the lyrics perfectly describe this idea of the fall of man, and the loss of the American Dream (if, like you said, it was even really there to begin with). In a way it reminded me of T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men," primarily because of this idea of having this empty feeling in one's life. Society often makes us feel like zombies or like beings that have been hollowed out by things like corruption, large corporations, the ironic distancing of ourselves from others due to social media. What I liked in particular was the incorporation of "white Jesus" and "President Jesus," because Christianity has been a dominant religion for the longest time. The way it's used in the song seems like it's either a desperate call for help, or used for sarcasm. But either way you interpret it, it still reflects this shrinking of hope in America.

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