American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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heard before, in a real enemy, by the West."

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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language.
- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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when bad Americans die they go to America.

- Oscar Wilde
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 19, 2013, 10:03

Let us make a bold attempt to imagine me incorrect in assuming that America will continually swell to embrace, amalgamate and (handsomely) commodify all forms of opposition, until the world is all America and America is no more.
That formidable effort having somehow ended in success and not laughable failure, there would appear to be three critical obstacles to ending American hegemony, and military force isn't one of them (did I mention Disneyland?): first, America's extraordinary capacity to invent indispensable things (including itself), so that, just as the world begins to break free of the Spell cast by the American invention of the PC, some pencil-pocket geek prophets invent the internet in Stanford, and the world lives American for another century or two; second, Hollywood, the 'factory of dreams'; and last, even more fundamental and intractable, the English language, which America, like any good merchant, is quite happy to bastardize and banalify indefinitely, in order to increase its currency.
Ultimately, this is the currency, not the dollar, which you will have the greatest trouble replacing, I think. And as long as this--or rather some pathetically debased version of it--is the language the world speaks when it talks to itself, that world will remain essentially and always American. Here again it is so not about the oil. English is very simply, and ever-increasingly (since attempts to unseat it will never catch up to the speed of global evolution plus the protean capacity of English to adapt to same) the native language of the global village. You don't have to live there. Wear a loin cloth and eat locusts, it's a free world. But if you choose to live there, and wish to prosper; enjoy the (many) good things it has to offer and avoid the bad; you must, as in any village, learn the native tongue.
A group of anti-American activists from different countries, all with different tongues, gather together to plot the downfall of America, and wish to communicate with the ease and rapidity necessary for true concerted thought and action, without the laborious and finally self-defeating inefficiency of multiple translation. What language will they speak? American.
American English has made its deal with the devil, and traded its soul for worldly power. The devil, a native English speaker, is now firmly on its side, knowing that if it succeeds he will win the soul not merely of America but of the world. His minions, Gates and Jobs. His key weapons, Gates' speed, and man's most incurable addiction: pleasure. As long as the world continues to accelerate down the i-highway, it will only have a greater need for a common tongue, since i, regrettably, needs we to be comfortable at last; and as long as English is not merely the language of America's inventions and movies, but able and willing to whore--I should say adapt--itself to every place and time and circumstance, far better and more easily than any other language on earth, what other possible candidate for that common tongue is there?
It is the native language of Prosperity and Pleasure. And they are bad students of foreign tongues.
The octolingual Slovenian father of a friend of mine said that English was the easiest language to learn badly, and the hardest to learn well. And he was right.
I once took a hurried cab to the Toronto airport, driven by a voluble old man with a heavy Eastern European accent and insanely bad but comprehensible English, who spoke faster than he drove (and that was breathtaking). After a few minutes, in response to some biographical detail, I asked him how long he'd been in Canada. He said 38 years. 'Wow, I said, and you never bothered or needed to learn better English, eh?' Unoffended, he proudly launched into a brilliant demonstration of why that was totally unnecessary to succeed and be happy in my country.
And he was right.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 19, 2013, 11:50

It does seem to be a rather ingenious (almost as if it were planned) defense-in-depth of American preeminence. By "sharing" its gee-whiz technology, movies and media, and language with the world, America tempts and unleashes the same materialism, love of novelty and stimulation, and preference for efficiency over poetry that hooked its own citizens. (It's almost like America was its own test market.) And because America has more experience with the tech, movies and language, its superior ability to provide and work with such can help America (the nation-state) forestall what would seem like the inevitable rise of Asian nations, propelled as these nations are by the more traditional power source of just having a whole lot of people. In fact, should America do especially well with the new gizmos, it could in theory forestall this rise, and America's consequent displacement, indefinitely.

But the real genius of this "plan" is the insurance policy. In the Disneyland world, the only way to beat the Americans is to be better at being American--or come awful close, with a lot more almostAmericans at your disposal. And the way the insurance policy works is that in the event America (the nation state) is actually displaced, actual Americans need not worry about having the tables truly turned on them, 'cause they will be being displaced by Americans, and America (the nation) will just be replaced by America (the idea). So no need to panic, or really do anything differently at all, 'cause were all Americans here, right?



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 19, 2013, 12:12

Right.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 19, 2013, 12:27

Assuming Asia does rise to preeminence (of a sort), presumably by becoming like those they dislodge, its rise might bring some changes (albeit superficial) to the liberal-democratic, capitalist model. In particular, the 'liberal-democratic' part of the formula seems a bit more flexible. While materialism, of which capitalism is the historically-proven best facilitator, does seem to, over time, push one in the direction of liberal democracy, it does not seem to require that a nation go all the way there, at least not in the way the West has. While China, for example, seems like it will inevitably become more democratic than it is now, I can see it stopping at a place that is more authoritarian and less politically "free" than the West. Singapore, for example, has a system that is de jure as democratic as much of the West's, but de facto a fair bit more autocratic. And Singapore seems to be profiting quite nicely. Who knows, maybe it will shake out that, in fact, excessive political freedom just distracts from the rabid pursuit of materialist gain. Who needs or wants to vote, or organize, or really do anything political...as long as you are free to surf, and tweet, and hoard.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 20, 2013, 00:44

Brian,

Although you are probably right about the dynamics of the English language in the "global village", I still think you underestimate the living power of language-worlds that continue in parallel with that global lingua franca. English may well act as a sort of currency, but its always exchanged before the non-native speaker goes home, just like I'm sure your taxi-driver did when he got home. I bet his home wasn't in the same world as yours, although he'd answer the door in that American city and say "Hello". Maybe we native English speakers are not used to being colonized, we're not used to having to learn the colonizer's language while keeping our own safe and even secret--but a large part of the world's people have been doing just that for generations and generations--and maybe we underestimate the resilience and adaptability and even cunning of these other worlds that have learned how to survive (with English) in ways native English speakers may only now be beginning to appreciate and only now that this "satanic" global English lingua franca, paradoxically, confronts a native English speaker who has nowhere to hide.

Todd



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 20, 2013, 01:09

Todd: this "satanic" global English lingua franca, paradoxically, confronts a native English speaker who has nowhere to hide

Meaning? (With you to there, and pondering.)



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 20, 2013, 10:38

I'm sorry that last sentence was a little mystical. I got carried away. All I meant was the native English speaker, who I think you'd agree confronts the colonizing effects of global-English lingua franca too, doesn't have another native language to move to, or another language-world to "hide" in. Do you see what I mean?

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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: October 20, 2013, 12:21

Got you now, thanks.
And what they do in their (linguistic) bedroom is, of course, no concern of English's (though I'll wager they've got a Hollywood movie playing on their bedroom tv, as I speak); just as what God they worship is no concern of English's God (so long as he doesn't get in the way).



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: May 12, 2014, 20:28

I was going to open a thread of my own about this strong argument for continuing American supremacy in the world, especially vs. China (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-12/u-s-is-no-1-china-is-so-yesterday).
But I looked around a bit, through some interesting earlier threads here (good site, Geoff!), and found this one, which seems perfect for the argument.
Basically, Joffe (who has some serious credentials) supplies a lot of hard evidence for Brian's first point, about America's endless capacity to invent things (including the future and itself), but he also does a pretty stunning job of putting China's rise into historical (and humbling) perspective, which touches on some of the 'China Century' threads I also discovered in my search--and his argument would be even stronger if he included the two other points Brian makes, about the worldwide influence of American language and culture, since the only power China has, even in the eyes of the China Centuryists, is economic.
Looks like the China Century has come--and gone.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: May 22, 2014, 10:16

from RT.com

'World moving away from American financial hegemony'

With the China-Russia deal conducted outside the dollar system we see the beginning of the de-dollarization and de-Americanization of the world, former assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts told RT.

RT: A number of Western business people have boycotted the St. Petersburg economic forum. Are they going to lose out?

Paul Craig Roberts: I think it is just a symbolic way of accommodating Washington. I don’t think it means anything, I do not think the firms in Germany, for example, want to harm the relationships with Russia, nor do they want it in France. So I do not think it means much. What is much more significant is that the number of Asian countries that are coming to this forum, and energy deal signed by Russia and China, is an indication that the world will be moving away from American financial hegemony. [...]

http://rt.com/op-edge/160720-russia-china-move-from-west/



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: May 23, 2014, 05:58

De-dollarization = De-Americanization of the world.
Maybe Paul needs to take a few laps around the treasury.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: May 26, 2014, 11:51

And here's a nice illustration of Brian's first two "obstacles": http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sony-playstation-to-go-on-sale-in-china-after-ban-on-video-game-consoles-is-lifted/
I understand that there are 500 million video game players in China. Already. Before Playstation.
Maybe this is just Brave New World authoritarianism. Or maybe it's just the long way, but one of the thousand sure ways, to Disneyland.



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Re: America is dead! Long live America! (the Quest to end American hegemony)
on: December 5, 2015, 20:52

I post this link contemplating on whether or not America ever has or ever will be a hegemon of this caliber. If the state can put aside it's greed, it's ruthlessness, it's primitive nature to dominate in exchange for helping a state without any ulterior motive. Some may suggest that this stance would be hypocritical for the US to take now if you look at its history. The reason it has become such a powerful state is because the state has rigorously practiced these traits. In response I say, "you can't move forward if you're always looking in the past"

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