American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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King Kong and the Real World of "The Great" Gatsby
on: October 22, 2015, 11:41

While writing an article on Jack Clayton’s 1974 film adaptation for The Great Gatsby for the University of Toronto Mississauga school newspaper, The Medium, I recalled what I remember seeing from the film and relating it back to the book. Furthermore, I remember watching the more recent film depiction of Gatsby, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, and how faithful, though cinematically different it was to the earlier film and text.

As something of a cinephile, I am harkened back to another film that took place during the era of Gatsby: Peter Jackson’s adaptation of King Kong. Set in New York, just as Gatsby is, we see how America – a proud nation that claims to be “on top of the world” – is sinking in poverty and crime. Things are a-changing, indeed, as this is the modernist movement; women have more agency and decision with their jobs and social life, as well as the freedom to express yourself in any way that one would like, even if it is not accepted by others.

What does The Great Gatsby have to do with King Kong? The aforementioned quotation of being “on top of the world” was not pulled out of thin air. Rather, in the opening scene of Jackson’s 2005 film, we see how America, New York specifically, is most certainly not “on top of the world,” juxtaposed with Al Jolson’s “I’m Sitting On Top of the World” playing in the background. New York City, as it seems in the film that has been sacked by the roaring twenties, has turned itself into “valley of ashes—a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air” (Fitzgerald, 23). The reasoning for the insertion of the full quotation is to show how short it takes for time to change, and how the visual interpretation of a piece of history is so real in comparison to the literary form in the novel. What once was a “valley of ashes” has turned itself into the city of New York. Indeed, the machine is still working, but it is hindered by the overflow of population and the necessity for economy. Perhaps the roar of the “roaring twenties” represents the roaring laughter of those living their lives in gluttony as well as the roaring cries and screams of those in need of the necessary elements of survival, such as food, water, shelter, and love.

In the first clip, we see the glitz, glamour, and utter chaos of the world that Baz Luhrmann has created in order to create The Great Gatsby. There is partying, drinking, (provocative) dancing, and no sense of life outside of it. We literally see and hear the roars in the trailer for the 2013 film in this trailer for the film adaptation of Fitzgerald’s text: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpqMr4wTNs

Contrast the insanity of the 2013 film with the Peter Jackson film that came eight years prior to it. The only drinking that you see is that of desperation so that the pain of poverty will be alleviated. The only gluttony seen in the clip is that of every person you see waiting at food banks, not because they want to eat until they regurgitate, but because they have not eaten in days. Once you skip the 45 seconds of production companies and other miscellaneous film logos, you see how art imitates life, and how life imitates art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opV-Q2co6UQ

It seems that the people in the latter clip would like to do what Gatsby says is possible: to "repeat the past," and to live without worry.



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Re: King Kong and the Real World of "The Great" Gatsby
on: November 24, 2015, 14:43

Both the cinematic depiction and novel of "The Great Gatsby" has intrigued me ever since I had first read the novel in high school. The major theme that I have pondered over was the theme of the "American Dream" and whether or not this dream is actually achievable. In the novel, Fitzgerald emphasizes themes of consumerism and materialism and depicts these themes in such a way that makes them necessary in order to achieve the "American Dream". This is idea is particularly expressed through the character of Gatsby himself, who, according to Nick, has the best of what money can buy. We later find out at the end of the story that Gatsby achieves his "American Dream" immorally, as he sells tainted alcohol during the prohibition and commits tax fraud on innocent hard working people in order to get rich quick. This emphasizes the idea that achieving the ultimate "American Dream" comes at a cost, almost as if you have to give up your morals in exchange for money. Which would you choose? You can be figuratively on top of the world, but you must live your life by three major themes; consumerism, materialism and ultimately, corruption.

After reading an article from the NBC News website entitled "Poll: Americans Pessimistic About Economy", it has occurred to me that the archaic idea of the "American Dream" has taken a dramatic turn for the worst. One could ask if there even is such a thing as achieving an "American Dream" if you are payed minimum wage, and this is because the idea of working hard for what you want is no longer in existence. The fact of the matter is, reality is not set up in such a way. In most cases, working hard will allow you to live comfortably, but not care free. Life will still have its restrictions and setbacks, and there will be no such thing as "repeating the past" in terms of easy living. To make things worse, as generations continue, the pessimism is stronger, and life will never be as easy as it is right now...if it is even easy at all. Our economy may not currently be as bad, but I still wonder if our attitude toward a better future is one that is stuck in the great depression of the 1920's.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-americans-pessimistic-about-economy-n454776



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Re: King Kong and the Real World of "The Great" Gatsby
on: November 24, 2015, 21:56

The contrast shown in regards to the state of the economy between the roaring 20's and the Great Depression is easily observed in "King Kong" and Luhrmann's film adaptation of "The Great Gatsby".
After reading Emily's comment about the "American Dream", it seems as if the belief in the "American Dream" itself, which emphasizes

consumerism, materialism and ultimately, corruption.

may have led towards the economic devastation of the 1930's. The preoccupation with wealth and money as success urged the ambitious, like Gatsby, to follow immoral paths in order to gain status and success. Contentment in any circumstance was an alien concept; only an exuberant lifestyle would suffice. wasteful spending and risky, dubious investments on the part of the people and institutions to support unnecessarily lavish lifestyles, eventually led to economic collapse.
This suggests that the "American Dream" is an unsustainable goal, and dangerous as an ambition to strive for, especially as achieved through corrupt practices. The lack of presence at Gatsby's funeral seems to read as a cautionary tale against the dangers of the "American Dream", illustrating that humanity is lost in the lust for wealth.

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