American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language.
- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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markcruz
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Kanye West + Emerson
on: October 15, 2014, 16:09

American rapper Kanye West has been the center of much controversy throughout the last decade. West's recognition as an artist is perhaps eclipsed by his status as an outspoken celebrity. Beginning with an infamous incident during a telethon for hurricane Katrina relief in 2005 (video below), West declared in an unscripted moment on live television that: "George Bush doesn't care about black people." The moment among others, (the Taylor Swift VMA stunt) has made Kanye West a subject of scrutiny and denouncement from critics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI (Katrina Telethon Video)

When examining Kanye West's public persona, one can draw comparisons to the thought American philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson. In Emerson's most significant essay "Self-Reliance," he discusses the importance of the individual and non-conformity. Emerson's emphasis on being true to oneself and following ones instincts are values that Kanye West appears to exemplify. Both the Katrina telethon and Taylor Swift VMA controversies can be interpreted as Kanye West's demonstration of Emersonian thought; choosing to do something he deems necessary despite the public reaction and backlash.

Emersonian thought also can be interpreted to reflect itself in the music of Kanye West. West's first album The College Dropout (2004) dealt with the subjects such as post-secondary education and consumerism while popular rap music at the time was primarily "gangster" rap that depicted drugs, sex and violence. After a number of successful sub-sequent albums, Kanye West released 808's and Heartbreaks, an album that dealt with the death of his mother. 808's and Heartbreaks was a radical departure from his previous work, having Kanye sing in auto-tune (a production technique used to correct a singers pitch) for most of the album with little rapping. The backlash from fans was significant, yet in interviews West insists that the album had to be made for his own personal reasons.

Most recently however, Kanye West released Yeezus,/i] an album that has generated the most controversy. In addition to a grating and industrial sound, [i]Yeezus featured songs with titles such as "I am a God" and "Black Skinhead," inciting controversy among fans. The title of the album itself even suggests that Kanye West is comparing himself to Jesus Christ.

Yeezus, the rest of his musical work, as well as his public persona can all be interpreted as a modern-day reflection of Emersonian thought. Despite his problematic public persona, West is a larger than life example of individualism and non-conformity.

“Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and YEEZUS, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self Reliance

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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: October 20, 2014, 22:05

Fascinating points, Mark.
West is, I'd say, a compelling model of (ostensible) self-reliance, and all its contradictions and absurdities, in contemporary America. In a famous book called Habits of the Heart, the sociologist Robert Bellah makes an astute point about the legacy of Emersonianism and the curious conformity involved in American expressions of individualism (or what I prefer to call personal autonomy):

Many of the people that we talked to haven't necessarily read Emerson or if they did they don't remember that they did and yet the term "self-reliance" comes easily to their tongue. The notion that help comes only from one's bosom is a commonplace of contemporary middle class culture. As one of the therapists we interviewed put it, "In the end, you're really alone and you really have to answer to yourself.." And indeed we find, as we probe the characteristics of American middle class culture, a form of life organized around a restless and relentless pursuit of individual autonomy. A quest for the self, for leaving the past and the social structures that have previously enveloped us, for stripping off the obligations and restraints imposed by others, until at last we find the true self which is unique and individual, entirely different from anyone else.
I might just tell you, as an aside, the language in which Americans express their uniqueness is among the most stereotyped language of any we got in the interviews: "We're all different." But it seems we're all different in exactly the same way. Here is a great irony, of course, that the common sense meaning of individualism, "I'm not doing what anybody else wants me to do"-[is expressed within] a culture that relentlessly tells us not to do what anybody else wants us to do.

This is, for me, one reason why West seems so bankrupt (as far as I understand him, which may not be very far) as a spokesman for authentic, old-school Emersonianism: all the 'transgressive' behavior seems finally to be little more than (very profitable and commercially savvy) posturing, amounting to a lively 'lifestyle' which simply hyperbolizes every banal, mainstream, 'conformist' aspiration (get rich and famous, show off, have fun), not a vital life.



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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: November 26, 2014, 21:22

I agree with you: Kanye's lifestyle certainly does not reflect an old-school Emersonian existence. He conforms to many norms (ie. currency, fame etc etc) despite seemingly viewing himself as an individual. However, I have re-read Self Reliance and still see some of Emerson reflected in Kanye West.

This video (a snippet from an interview on BBC) has Kanye explaining his song "I am a God." The song is controversal, as it has Kanye quite clearly deifying himself. However, as the video shows, Kanye calls himself a God, because it is true to him and him only. This echoes the "world-seeing eye," in Emerson's writing; that we all have the potential to transcend our own existence. In the video, Kanye also reflects the Emersonian ideal of self-value. Kanye makes a point about "self-hate" and it's danger; he appears to value the same personal exceptionalism that Emerson does in Self Reliance



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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: November 26, 2014, 23:33

I see what you mean -- though perhaps Whitman (who loved and celebrated sensual pleasures) is even closer as a precursor. My lingering (grumpy-old-man-ish) complaints, though... West seems (not so much in the clip above, but in other interviews) like Emerson without the willingness for serious, honest self-appraisal (as the sage of Concord knew, finding the proper self to rely on is never easy, never a matter of simple self-aggrandizement), and like Whitman without the great American democratic impulse and generosity of spirit ("For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you").



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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: December 1, 2014, 15:42

I think Kanye also epitomizes a lot of what the American dream has turned into, which is obviously greatly rooted in Emerson and self-reliance. In this rant in defense of himself for making incredibly overpriced tee shirts he illustrates how he sort embodies this idea of the new american dream. One that has a huge focus on celebrities and capitalism, but he also rejects a lot of these ideas. I think in this interview he also demonstrates his likeness to Emerson ideals for example his non-conformity. He makes some wonderful points about how the American media tries to make people conform, essentially out of of fear.
He wants to stand out and make some things larger than life out of himself, he's always wanted to create a sort of pseudo godlike quality for himself, it started with "Jesus Walks"and likely won't end at "I Am God". He mentions in this interview that he wants this because these are people he has looked up to and the type of impact he is looking to have on the world. Although this can be seen as incredibly narcissistic and I think in many ways an impressive way to see the world, to imagine that you can have that sort of impact. And I think that directly mirrors a lot of the American dream that Emerson and Whitman helped to create.
Here is the video where he talks about all of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-PfivL3erw



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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: December 2, 2014, 19:34

I'd like to contribute to the Kanye West conversation with an Emersonian(ish) lens, despite not knowing much about him other than what I've read on the forum (and heard from my boyfriend who is a Kanye fan and has strong opinions about his work).

As an artist, we can perceive Kanye West as a cultural figure who crafted his own artistic identity, in spite of mainstream themes. While his albums have been starkly different in terms of their lyrical content—going from writing about universally relatable themes in College Dropout to a highly individualized and worshipped sense of self in Yeezus—it is apparent that he remains true to his own experiences concerning what it means to be an American. As Mark mentioned, College Dropout was revolutionary in that it shifted the culture of rap music, through Kanye's politically conscious critique of the education system during a time in which rap music had a primarily "gangster", anti-white status. His modest persona in College Dropout is much different from the highly self-assured, "narcissist" that Kanye is today. In this way, and as you've all more or less concluded, Kanye echoes much of Emersonian thought. We could have a conversation about what makes someone a good artist, but I think Kanye derives much of his artistic integrity from his loud and unswayed voice.

As a person, Kanye West is largely criticized for being self-righteous. As mentioned, his latest album is particularly controversial with its divine allusions of self (here, Kanye’s persona is reminiscent of Whitman’s “Song Of Myself,” wherein Whitman capitalizes “Me”, framing himself as a sort of American Jesus who “could look with a separate look on [his] own crucifixion and bloody crowning” (965)). After watching the video Mark posted about Kanye’s response to his criticisms, I think there’s a twofold way of perceiving his identity. We can attribute Kanye's self-reliance either to the modern "narcissism epidemic" in an age of globalization and proliferating ICT, or in the context of American individualism positioned against the 80-year long institution of slavery that often slips beneath. I’d like to discuss the latter.

Kanye expresses that “we’ve got this new thing called classism. It’s racism’s cousin”, as well as alluding to his ties to slavery. As a Black man occupying a position of prestige, with his unwavering sense of individuality and headstrong resistance to people bringing him down, we might compare Kanye to Frederick Douglass, if Douglass had had the same opportunities as someone like Emerson. We see two exemplars of American individuality—yet their voices are heard at a volume determined by race and class. In this way, I would perceive American individualism and the American dream (defined as a set of ideals in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success, and an upward social mobility achieved through hard work) as different ideas. I think Kanye West, though arguably a little high strong, articulates this important difference. His identity seems to be at least partially rooted in his experiences as a Black man. In Yeezus, he samples racially significant songs such as “Blood on the Leaves” which is taken from a poem about lynching. These appropriations are controversial, yet he makes a conscious effort to speak from within, rather than re-appropriating cultural materials for solely aesthetic purposes. And his voice resonates. Especially considering recent events with the Ferguson case, it is apparent that the zeitgeist of slavery is real in America. I’d be hesitant to compare Kanye West directly to Emerson, but he expresses that what it means to be an American individual in modern society is still crosscut by the dimensions of classism and racism.



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Re: Kanye West + Emerson
on: December 2, 2014, 19:39

Also, to be clear I'm by no means trying to equate Kanye West and Frederick Douglass, but simply trying to draw historically relevant comparisons on the basis of race.

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