American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
never
heard before, in a real enemy, by the West."

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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language.
- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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When good Americans die they go to Paris;
when bad Americans die they go to America.

- Oscar Wilde
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

― Roberto Bolaño

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"How Canadians and Americans View Each Others Health Care System"
on: September 5, 2014, 12:37

from The Globe and Mail

How Canadians and Americans View Each Other's Health Care System

Canadians like to think we know our American neighbours well, and it is not without a certain amount of smugness that we tend to size up what we see as Americans’ shortcomings. One of the most enduring comparisons has been in the area of health care, and yet this is an area in which Canadians and Americans barely understand each other. For every Canadian misperception that the U.S. is a purely privatized health care system, there is an American accusation about “socialized medicine” in Canada.

There is no doubt that health reform debates are based in some measure on perceptions held by Canadians about the U.S. health care system, and those held by Americans about Canada; and these perceptions, whether or not grounded in evidence, end up having significant impact on health policy makers in both countries. [...]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/how-canadians-and-americans-view-each-others-health-system/article20359038/#dashboard/follows/



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Re: "How Canadians and Americans View Each Others Health Care System"
on: December 1, 2015, 08:57

As a child of immigrants, I am so thankful my parents chose Canada instead of the U.S.A, one of my main reasons being the healthcare system. Due to extensive physical ailments, I would've been up to my ears in debt if I lived in the land of the free-- where everything is free except their healthcare.

I had a teacher who told me he drove hours to Buffalo in order to have an MRI done as he thought something was wrong but he was put on a waitlist. He said he would rather pay than wait. I admit that I had the same problem, with my mom telling doctors for two years that there was a problem (call it mother's intuition) and the doctors shutting her down. In the end, the consensus was cancer and my mom was so shaken that she couldn't even revel in the fact that she was (as per usual) right. At the same time though, my aunt passed away from stomach cancer and her debt was so high that her kids had to sell the house that they grew up in.

A Canadian woman was on vacation in Hawaii when she unexpectedly gave birth three months early. Along with the baby, she also received a hefty bill of one million dollars: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/million-dollar-baby-canadians-handed-1m-bill-after-woman-gives-birth-in-u-s-1.2107020

Living in the U.S.A would make me opt for a midwife, but even that costs anywhere between $1,500 to $3,000, but still it's better than a $10,000 hospital bill: http://www.moneycrashers.com/home-birth-vs-hospital-birth-cost/

My opinion is this: healthcare should not come with a price tag. The gift of life should not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. The U.S. healthcare system frightens me because people could either live or die based on their income. That needs to end.

Note: I wanted to piggyback on what Brian said below. If paying higher taxes means someone doesn't have to worry about supporting themselves or their family due to medical bills, then taxes are not a problem. It's hard enough to deal with an illness without having to worry about where you're going to get the money to pay for it. I love the way you described Canada's healthcare system as "a money pool where everyone pitches in, so that everyone has access and is covered like a national resource." I feel as though that's what Canadians did that for my family and I when we were struggling. I'm more than willing to do the same.



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Re: "How Canadians and Americans View Each Others Health Care System"
on: December 6, 2015, 19:22

I remember having surgery on my feet years ago and being told that it would have cost me thousands of dollars to have done if I lived in the United States. Made me feel lucky I'm Canadian.

Canada and many other nation states benefit from their socialized healthcare systems. I've spoken to Americans before, and they always bring up the benefit of having "free healthcare". I sort of burst their bubble by saying it's not really free, but also not as immediately demanding or stifling as a more privatized system.

I simplify it by saying it's paid through taxes, and I've encountered a few times the question, "So are you paying for someone else's health care?" In a way, I suppose we as Canadians are since we all pay taxes. Some Americans I've discussed this with disagree with it, for reasons either being a general disapproval of taxation or for wanting to be able to provide for the self and the family, and not pay for a stranger who should afford their own care. I further simplify the Canadian healthcare system by describing it as a money pool where everyone pitches in, so that everyone has access and is covered like a national resource. When I put it that way, some tend to agree that it sounds better.

I think the United States loves its privatization. The problem when it comes to health care is that a lot of people are disadvantaged economically and thus disadvantaged in their access to healthcare. It's a bit of a downward spiral - your quality of living is determined by your economic standing, and your economic standing directly influences whether your quality of living can remain sustainable. I think it's awful that there is a system that in practice can make the poor of health financially poorer.

At the same time, however, this makes the United States a great place to prosper as a person in the medical field. I get the idea that a lot of doctors in Canada end up going to work in the United States for the prosperous opportunities. I discussed such a thing with a former physician of mine, who lamented on under-staff and how he was the primary deliverer of babies in his hospital, stating that his colleagues either pursue practice in the United States or opt to opening pharmacies in Canada - whichever is feasibly prosperous. So, in a way, the American health care system is beneficial from a business perspective for those in the field, and makes Canada an exporter for such (and I'm sure anyone who has experienced long wait times in a Canadian hospital would appreciate it if Canada had more doctors).

I think a big obstacle for getting a universal health care system approved in the US is the idea that it is a socialized system. When Obamacare was all the rage in the media, I would often hear accusations of "socialism" when discussing the program, showing there is still a lingering post-Cold War disapproval of socialist ideas in the United States. Canada's healthcare system has benefited from socialist application, but socialism itself is a concept that has historically become a concept with preserved negative perception. Perhaps for some, adopting socialist methods of infrastructure would be perceived as a betrayal to the state.

Until Americans come around to it, I'll be comfortable with higher taxes and a health card.

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