American hedonism closes its eyes to death, and has been
incapable of exorcising the destructive power of the moment
with a wisdom like that of the Epicureans of antiquity.

- Octavio Paz
Death is un-American, and an affront to every citizen's inalienable
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

- Arnold Toynbee
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"As long as such self-serving hypocrisy
motivates America's response, Ukraine will
only sink further into needless bloodshed,
and that blood will be on America's head."
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In America everybody is of the opinion that he has no social superiors,
since all men are equal, but he does not admit that he has no social inferiors,
for, from the time of Jefferson onward, the doctrine that all men are equal
applies only upwards, not downwards.

― Bertrand Russell
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"What those 'racists' are reflexively and rightly reacting
to is the soulless chill as the fire goes out beneath the
melting pot. Those who think America can thrive as a
'cultural mosaic' are worse than fools; they're Canadians."

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Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe.
It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster,
in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe
have grown to appalling dimensions.

― Frantz Fanon
What the United States does best is understand itself.
What it does worst is understand others.

- Carlos Fuentes
Poor Mexico, so far from God
and so close to the United States.

- Porfirio Diaz
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"Indeed, everything about the American southland was magical
and exotic to the young Canadian musicians, from the sights
and smells to the drawling manner of speech to, especially, the
central role that music played in people’s everyday lives."

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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
- Sigmund Freud
America is an adorable woman chewing tobacco.
- Auguste Bartholdi
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"This is the tone of the China Century, a subtle
mix of Nazi/Soviet bravado and 'oriental'
cunning -- easily misunderstood, and
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heard before, in a real enemy, by the West."

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"And for the others who argued for English-only
patriotism, I note that there are more than
57 million Americans (about 20% of the nation)
whose first-language is not English...."

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"This is the behavior, and the fate, of paranoid
old-world tyrants like Hitler or Saddam, not liberal new-world democracies like America pretends to be."

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America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

- Georges Clemenceau
I found there a country with thirty-two religions and only one sauce.
- Charles–Maurice Talleyrand
A people who are still, as it were, but in the gristle,
and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood.

- Edmund Burke
America is the only country ever founded on the printed word.
- Marshall McLuhan
"The removal of racist sports nicknames (and mascots) seems outrageously belated
-- why, exactly, has this civil rights cause
taken so long to gain momentum?"

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The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the
United States reactionaries use to scare people.
It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.

- Mao Tse-tung
They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but
they kept only one; they promised to take our land, and they did.

- Red Cloud
In America sex is an obsession,
in other parts of the world it is a fact.

- Marlene Dietrich
I would rather have a nod from an American,
than a snuff-box from an emperor.

- Lord Byron
One day the United States discovered it was an empire.
But it didn’t know what an empire was.
It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations.

- Roberto Calasso
Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather
be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville
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"No one, I thought, could watch those scenes, of young children slaughtered en masse, and so many parents grieving, without thinking that this, finally, would tip some kind of balance in the country."
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If you are prepared to accept the consequences of your dreams
then you must still regard America today with the same naive
enthusiasm as the generations that discovered the New World.

- Jean Baudrillard
I am willing to love all mankind, except an American.
- Samuel Johnson
America, thou half brother of the world;
With something good and bad of every land.

- Philip Bailey
"What can be more powerful than disinformation in the Information Age?"
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language.
- Sir Walter Besant
Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by
posterity because he was the last to discover America.

- James Joyce
Now, from America, empty indifferent things
are pouring across, sham things, dummy life.

- Rainer Maria Rilke
If the United States is to recover fortitude and lucidity,
it must recover itself, and to recover itself it must
recover the "others"- the outcasts of the Western world.
- Octavio Paz
The youth of America is their oldest tradition.
It has been going on now for three hundred years.

- Oscar Wilde
"America really is, for most Americans, all things considered, a good place to be, and all they really want is for everyone to enjoy the same privilege and pleasure."
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When good Americans die they go to Paris;
when bad Americans die they go to America.

- Oscar Wilde
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America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that
lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.

- Georg Friedrich Hegel
America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room.
Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair.

- Arnold Toynbee
Americans always try to do the right thing after they've tried everything else.
- Winston Churchill
The thing that impresses me most about Americans
is the way parents obey their children.

- Edward, Duke of Windsor
Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering
what average opinion believes average opinion to be.

- John Maynard Keynes
Europe was created by history.
America was created by philosophy.

- Margaret Thatcher
America is God's crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of
Europe are melting and reforming!... The real American has not yet arrived.
He is only in the crucible, I tell you - he will be the fusion of all races.

- Israel Zangwill
American dreams are strongest in the hearts of those
who have seen America only in their dreams.

- Pico Iyer
America: It's like Britain, only with buttons.
- Ringo Starr
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.
It has never yet melted.

― D.H. Lawrence
I have two conflicting visions of America.
One is a kind of dream landscape and the other is a kind of black comedy.

― Bono
The American mirror, said the voice, the sad American mirror
of wealth and poverty and constant useless metamorphosis,
the mirror that sails and whose sails are pain.

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American Thanksgiving
on: November 26, 2013, 15:31

from Indian Country Today

What Really Happened at the First Thanksgiving? The Wampanoag Side of the Tale

When you hear about the Pilgrims and “the Indians” harmoniously sharing the “first Thanksgiving” meal in 1621, the Indians referred to so generically are the ancestors of the contemporary members of the Wampanoag Nation. As the story commonly goes, the Pilgrims who sailed from England on the Mayflower and landed at what became Plymouth, Massachusetts, in 1620 had a good harvest the next year. So Plymouth Gov. William Bradford organized a feast to celebrate the harvest and invited a group of “Native American allies, including the Wampanoag chief Massasoit” to the party. The feast lasted three days and, according to chronicler Edward Winslow, Bradford sent four men on a “fowling mission” to prepare for the feast, and the Wampanoag guests brought five deer to the party. And ever since then, the story goes, Americans have celebrated Thanksgiving on the fourth Thursday of November. Not exactly, Ramona Peters, the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe’s Tribal Historic Preservation Officer told Indian Country Today Media Network in a conversation on the day before Thanksgiving 2012—391 years since that mythological “first Thanksgiving.” [...]

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/23/what-really-happened-first-thanksgiving-wampanoag-side-tale-and-whats-done-today-145807



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 27, 2013, 13:25

I'd be interested to hear -- from 'Outsiders,' insiders, or whatever -sider you might be -- about your impressions of the contemporary significance of American Thanksgiving (I add the adjective for there is, of course, a Canadian Thanksgiving, too).
For those 'on the ground' in the United States: does Thanksgiving feel like a celebration of American history -- that is, an occasion when one is genuinely encouraged to express, and consider the sources of, national pride -- or does it feel more like (as I think Christmas feels to many) a kind of denuded, de-historicized, largely commercial event, without a 'referent' in history?



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 28, 2013, 21:17

The American media make Thanksgiving a patriotic orgy, and we're continually reminded about 'giving thanks' for being so exceptional. Recently there has been some change because of sensitivities about Native Americans and what the origins of the holiday really were, but this hasn't really changed much in the way the media promote the event (which is highly highly commercial, obviously, with Black Friday being a grotesque eruption of materialistic fervor). One thing the media is always pushing is the idea that getting out to the stores and spending is good for the country, so its essentially like patriotism and commercialism merge together. You can't do better for your country than buying lots of electronic equipment on Friday and gorging on food the rest of the weekend, in other words.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 28, 2013, 21:21

This article from Slate.com isn't quite what "Their America" is looking for, I realize, since it's written by an American, but it represents a kind of 'Outsiders' perspective on the Thanksgiving holiday.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/11/27/if_it_happened_there_how_the_u_s_media_would_cover_thanksgiving_if_it_was.html

If It Happened There … America’s Annual Festival Pilgrimage Begins

By Joshua Keating
This is the fourth installment of a continuing series in which American events are described using the tropes and tone normally employed by the American media to describe events in other countries.

WASHINGTON, D.C., United States—On Wednesday morning, this normally bustling capital city became a ghost town as most of its residents embarked on the long journey to their home villages for an annual festival of family, food, and questionable historical facts. Experts say the day is vital for understanding American society and economists are increasingly taking note of its impact on the world economy.

The annual holiday, known as Thanksgiving, celebrates a mythologized moment of peace between America’s early foreign settlers and its native groups—a day that by Americans' own admission preceded a near genocide of those groups. Despite its murky origins, the holiday remains a rare institution celebrated almost universally in this ethnically diverse society.

During the holiday, more than 38.4 million Americans will make the long pilgrimage home, traveling an average of 214 miles over congested highways, often in inclement weather. The more prosperous citizens will frequently opt for the nation's airways, suffering through a series of flight delays and missed airline connections thanks to the country’s decaying transportation infrastructure and residual fears of foreign terrorist attacks.

The “pardoning” of a turkey is a sop to animal rights activists made somewhat moot by the fact that the country’s president simply dines on a different turkey.
Once home, the holiday’s traditions encourage Americans to consume massive quantities of food centered around the turkey, a flightless—and some would say tasteless—bird native to the American continent. All in all, 46 million of these animals will be slaughtered for the feast, nearly 20 percent of those raised each year. The average American will consume an almost unbelievable 4,500 calories, despite ongoing warnings about dangerous obesity rates nationally.

Virtually the only break from the eating comes when Americans gather around the television to watch a special presentation of football, the country’s most popular sport. If the brutal violence of the game seems at odds with the holiday’s emphasis on thanks and good will, no one seems to mind.

Though rooted in America’s ancient history, the celebration of Thanksgiving today also reflects the transforming values of American society. One relatively recent tradition is the head of state’s public “pardoning” of a turkey—a sop to animal rights activists made somewhat moot by the fact that the country’s president simply dines on a different turkey. To outsiders, it can also seem like a somewhat macabre gesture since the United States is one of the last developed countries to employ the death penalty for humans.

Traditionally, the Friday and weekend following Thanksgiving have been set aside for another American institution—intense consumer activity and bargain shopping. (The availability of deeply discounted goods is increasingly beginning even sooner, sometime on the holiday itself, angering some purists.) More than $59 billion will be spent over these days, though the exact figure will be watched closely by economists looking for clues about the country’s national mood and economic well-being. The event is known as “Black Friday,” though contrary to popular belief, this is not due to the injuries and deaths that periodically occur during retail stampedes.

In recent years, some experts have questioned whether the hidden costs of the Thanksgiving holiday have become excessive; whether the celebration is worth its massive environmental impact and the increased health risks due to traffic accidents and overeating. Still, the majority of the population holds fast to these pastimes. For them, they are part of a rare, quintessentially American tradition in a modernizing society that finds itself increasingly under the influence of the outside world.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 30, 2013, 21:01

Many of us here in the U.S. are, of course, quite critical of the materialism and 'anti-historical' bent of the Thanksgiving holiday, and so I thought I'd share some political cartoons which sum up the attitudes of many so-called "liberal" Americans on this holiday weekend...
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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 26, 2015, 21:52

from United American Indians of New England

National Day of Mourning

Since 1970, Native Americans and our supporters have gathered at noon on Cole's Hill in Plymouth to commemorate a National Day of Mourning on the US thanksgiving holiday. Many Native Americans do not celebrate the arrival of the Pilgrims and other European settlers. Thanksgiving day is a reminder of the genocide of millions of Native people, the theft of Native lands, and the relentless assault on Native culture. Participants in National Day of Mourning honor Native ancestors and the struggles of Native peoples to survive today. It is a day of remembrance and spiritual connection as well as a protest of the racism and oppression which Native Americans continue to experience.

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http://www.uaine.org/



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 28, 2015, 14:48

As an 'outsider' to American Thanksgiving as well as to Native culture my perception of the american holiday is made up of three elements; Pilgrims, football and Black Friday. Although perhaps the stated purpose of the holiday was to give thanks and spend time with loved ones the holiday, in Canada as well as the U.S, has developed into a commercial and secular long-weekend that centres around, home decor sales, specialty drinks at Starbucks and TV specials. While I myself get all warm and fuzzy inside watching Charlie Brown's the Great Pumpkin and decorating my dinner table in anticipation of my family coming to visit, I am also conscious of how disconnected I am (especially as a city dweller) from the original precepts of Thanksgiving. In America Thanksgiving seems to have taken the form of a patriotic warm-up to christmas. The holiday's focus on the pilgrim narrative points out the emphasis on american exceptionalism, using the story of the "first thanksgiving" to highlight how 'good' the first americans were and to imply some sort of near godliness in their ability to provide for themselves and their guests (who've lived on this land for generations) against all odds. The emphasis on football and commercialized products also points to the feeling of american exceptionalism attached to capitalism --implying that thanksgiving is a holiday that should and must be celebrated and is represented in the media as a time of year as important as christmas (the time of year when Christians celebrate the birth of their Saviour Jesus Christ) and often times passing easter (another equally important holiday in the Christian calendar) in importance. Putting Thanksgiving on par with a religious holiday is something remarkable which comes across as a very American tendency, implying that their history (or one interpretation of their history) is as remarkable and worthy of celebration as a religious high holiday.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 28, 2015, 23:14

Really fascinating topic to observe from over here (England). It has always struck me how peculiarly indifferent to the details of their own history Americans are, especially when celebrating it.
Some more food for thought (as it were)...

Your Thanksgiving cranberry sauce is poisoning Native American lands
Tara Houska

When we sit down to a Thanksgiving meal with friends and family, it’s easy to overlook the cranberry sauce, that familiar side with a vague purpose. But give it a second thought this year: the dark red fruit, associated with health and well-being, is laden with chemicals that are killing the lake of a Wisconsin-based Native American tribe and violating the tribe’s treaty rights.
Wisconsin is the largest producer of cranberries in the United States, helped in part by a special exemption from the state’s department of natural resources that allows the industry to bypass permitting for construction projects and diversion of surface water.
A number of cranberry operations sit adjacent to Lac Courte Oreilles, so named for the Native American tribe whose reservation encompasses the eastern half of the lake. Treaties signed with the federal government guarantee hunting, fishing and gathering rights for the tribe in exchange for land. But the fish population is at risk.
Though the cranberry industry has painted a picture of sun-soaked floating bogs of red berries and farmers in waist-high boots, the reality is a commercial operation that requires massive quantities of water to flood and drain fields of the marsh-grown vine several times throughout the year.
Water is pumped in from nearby lakes and streams, and once the harvest is complete, it is pumped back into the water supply. Heavy use of chemical fertilizer and pesticides on the plants result in clean water entering the bogs and phosphorus-laden water exiting.
Phosphorus levels contained in the operation’s runoff are so high that the fish population in the lake has declined, and some areas cannot be used during summer months due to increased algae and scum. Elevated lead, arsenic, cadmium and other toxic metals have also been found in cranberry discharges.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/26/thanksgiving-cranberry-sauce-wisconsin-poison-native-american-lac-courte-oreilles-tribe



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 29, 2015, 00:35

American Thanksgiving, Canadian Thanksgiving, it's all the same to me. I do not celebrate this farce of a so-called holiday. The North American Indigenous people were slaughtered and that for me is the reason I will not indulge. To those that do, all this indulgence has a high monetary value placed on it too. Consumerism at it's finest, killing three bird's with one stone, truly there is no recognized holiday that is a holiday. Yes you may get one day to relax, but after all that money has been spent, who has time to relax? Uncle Sam there never has a holiday, he works 24/7. We are almost operating at the same pace, after all, somebody has to keep raising all those artificial turkeys and growing all those poisonous cranberries. That football game will have you so preoccupied you won't even know or care about the reason for Thanksgiving. The whipped cream on top the pumpkin pie will be the half-time show, dessert is always a good way to end a bountiful dinner. Thank you Harold M for educating me about the cranberry process.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: December 1, 2015, 23:30

I believe that it is North America's speciality to normalize violence and subjugate less powerful places and beings. American Thanksgiving is a prime example of that. We are raised to believe that Thanksgiving is a wonderfully, charitable time wherein friends and families come together to eat enormous heaps of mashed potatoes and talk about what they're thankful for, just as the pilgrims did. In history class, Americans, and Canadians alike, are taught about the heartwarming story of white men and native men coming together to form the beautiful land we live on today. As we sit around our tables and stare impatiently at the steaming hot plates of fresh food, we listen halfheartedly to our siblings and parents talk about how thankful they are for whatever it is they are thankful for--the good weather, the new Fallout game, each other. It's all, for lack of a better word, bullshit. You never hear anyone talk about the horrific effects of severe assimilation, or the pitiless massacres thousands of Native Americans endured. No, in North America, we talk about how thankful we are for the lives we have now. We treat ourselves to pumpkin-spiced lattes and send our grandmothers, "Happy Turkey Day cards." We normalize and dismiss the acts of violence that went on in the past, just as we normalize the violence that goes on today. That is why "National Day of Mourning," is important and should be spoken about more. American Thanksgiving should be taught as not a happy celebration, but rather, as a prime example of the selfishness of the American people; what America wants, America gets, even if it means harming one another. Why celebrate that?



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: December 7, 2015, 13:55

As a Canadian looking in on the American thanksgiving, my opinion of it is that it is almost fake in its celebration. First, it not only is celebrating something that is atrocious in history but it has become so commercialized it isn't even giving thanks for what they already have. Black Friday falls immediately after the Thursday and is a reminder of just how self indulgent the culture is. Greed is rampant. Just like the European settlers who were greedy and took land that was not theirs no matter the cost, Americans today celebrate a day not truly knowing the meaning. Lets for a moment forget the history of the day, do Americans then even give thanks for what they have? The next day they are excessively buying things they don't need. Perhaps, I'm a little bias as the Canadian thanksgiving is often thought to be stemmed from the European harvest festival, where one gives thanks for the harvest of that season. Don't get me wrong, Canada is not always better with greed but at least we don't have a major shopping spree afterwards.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: December 7, 2015, 13:56

I personally have never really celebrated Thanksgiving, and I have instead treated more like a normal long weekend. While I think it's great to have a holiday where people are thankful for what they have, the commercialization of this holiday, and it being right before Black Friday, seems to defeat the purpose. Sonya Collins' picture above about Black Friday says it all. In this way, Thanksgiving then appears to be some kind of obligation where you must be thankful (instead of people actually feeling grateful). Furthermore, I agree with Brayaden Fantin, about how violence committed against Indigenous people must be acknowledged as part of the origins of the holiday. Hopefully, if society takes this step, it will change how we see ourselves, history, and other individuals who've been wronged.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: December 7, 2015, 22:23

I agree with the repeated notions of commercialism in American Thanksgiving. Nevertheless, I have to concede that the strength of the tradition in America is not paralleled in other places such as Canada, who also celebrate Thanksgiving but not to the same extent and sense of importance. The above reference of a "patriotic orgy" can be apt when it describes the traditions of America going back to its forefathers, and the celebration from the time of the pilgrims, but it is also contemporary when we think of the football games that dominate the holiday. As such, American Thanksgiving can be seen as an extremely American holiday when it seems to celebrate the ideal America as a source of democracy, civilization, and even a successful capitalist society. It promotes the narrative of American dominance and exceptionalism as it continues to find new exempli of heroes even in the 21st century. Its move to a more commercial state, then, simply goes along with this narrative by extolling the benefits of a capitalist society with such commodities bought during the Black Friday madness as deserving gifts for fellow exceptional Americans.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: December 8, 2015, 00:15

The central themes of Walden are representative of the common hardworking American in the 19th century – simplicity, frugality and self-reliance were all necessary for anyone to survive in the new country of America. It was and is a land of abundant resources; however, if one didn’t know how to utilize the resources correctly or learn to adapt to coexisting with their surrounding environment, continuing to survive in America would be near impossible. Death came in many forms including hunger, winter and disease – to combat them all the common American people survived off the land, working hard to earn their right to live.

It’s interesting that the American people today find themselves with traditions such as Black Friday and Boxing Day, holidays that once celebrated the American people now celebrate the purchasing of material goods. Thanksgiving and Christmas are two highly celebrated holidays in America that celebrates family, tradition and other values important to the American people – but the need for consumerism has introduced holidays specifically for spending money that have begun to eclipse the traditional holidays. In creating such a day as Black Friday, the American people are showing their love for consumerism and the corporations are feeding it with deals and sales. When reading Walden, I couldn’t help but think of what Thoreau thought of current American traditions such as going shopping at the mall or mindless spending such as purchasing an item solely because the vendor knocked off a few dollars. I realize that Thoreau was excessively frugal even back in his day; however he was right in that we don’t need the material to define us. The material possessions that surround you physically don’t establish who you are and that’s something that most people have forgotten. I think that if Thoreau saw what the American society has grown into, the culture of consumerism that it feeds off of, he would return back into his little simplistic cabin and not come back out.



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Re: American Thanksgiving
on: November 5, 2017, 20:51

I just discovered this video from Native American women protesting the Thanksgiving holiday. It is a powerful testament to the change in attitudes today. The ugliness of this era of history is finally being uncovered, and that can only be a good thing for the healing that needs to take place. https://youtu.be/K7jLeBWMA0U

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